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Old 06-22-2009, 06:23 PM
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Hello everyone, I have been slamming my head trying to make sense of CR England. For the last week or so I have done nothing but looking up information about CR England. I have had a lot of time as I am un-employed like many Americans, and are in the same situation; in danger of losing my home and vehicle.

I started driving in the oilfields, which is no cake walk. The money is excellent, even when I was doing it over the road I was getting paid hourly. The bad part about it is that most oilfield companies expect you to run illegal, there were many days and nights where I was driving a day cab over 24 hours, stopping only to take a leak. I was actually fired from a job because I ran 18 hours went home, and then the boss called me to come back 4 hours after getting home and I said no. They are out of business now, but many oilfield companies do get away with it. It's not all bad, before I was laid off same thing, but, letís just say that drinking on the job was promoted by the bosses. I never really did, just trying to paint the picture, not all bad---fringe benefits.


Now the oilfields here are dead, all the money is gone, and as everybody knows no one is hiring! Over the last 4 months I have submitted untold amounts of application to any company that I thought would hire me, driving or not. I even took a test to see if I qualify for a 911 dispatcher. I missed it by one question, not to bad considering there were around 9 different tests. So I was very happy when I had finally received a call from CR England saying that they had looked over my application and "I was a prime candidate for their program".

The recruiter wants to know when I can come down to do the physical, backing test and what not. She said that they do it every Monday, so I set the date to when I am going to have some money in my account. One thing I might note is that I am currently 6 hours away from SLC, and they told me that I have to get myself there. I say this because I have seen in many peoples' posts about CRE they are bused there, but no transportation is provided back. I would drive there, but I don't feel comfortable leaving my Dodge truck in SLC, I used to live there. No I am not a Mormon, I grew up in Wyoming; SLC was the result of my ex-wife.

While on the phone I asked the recruiter everything I could think of, I admit I wanted to lease a truck so my main focus was about that. I had asked if I was guaranteed miles, her answer was yes. I asked if at the end of the lease if I had the option to purchase the truck, again yes. My birthday is at the end of July, and my girlfriend had bought excellent seats at an Aerosmith concert in Denver, and I had asked her if I started now, would I be able to go to that concert? She said I would have to talk to the Driving Manager. And then thatís when almost every answer was "I don't really know the specifics, I just make sure that everything is good with your application, these questions would have to be answered by a Driver Manager when you get here."

After that I was still excited because the recruiter pretty much said that I had a job if I wanted it. Thatís when I started doing research on it. Not because I had a bad feeling, but I was excited and wanted to be prepared with every aspect. Well as all of you people that hate CR England know, when you Google 'CR ENGLAND Lease' the first things to pop up are Ripoff reports.com.

Now, I know in general that one is less likely to get on the internet and talk up a company then they are to complain and blow of steam. I also think that in general that no one is going to go to rip-off reports and talk about how good something is, and that the bulk of rebuttals are "company plants". At the same time I think of all the ex-coworkers I have had, you know lazy, selfish, less then bare minimum go to home as soon as possible and show up late the next day a-hole. They would be just the ones to complain in hope someone would take pity on them. But in the end you just don't know, no one is perfect, and no one ever says "I deserved to get fired."

Here is what I have come to understand about CR England. The only way to be a company driver for them is to team drive. In order to purchase the truck you lease you actually have to be on your second or third lease with the company, I have seen this one a couple times and am not sure of the exact details. CR England says on their site that they are partnered with Horizon truck sales, which I think is the missing piece to the puzzle.

There are many people saying that the lease program is a rip off, and that you are just paying the truck off for the company. My thoughts are, yea it is, keep in mind I am not working for them. My guess is that there is some shady deal between CR England, and this Horizon Truck Sales. They are both in Salt lake, and I can't even find a website for Horizon. Also, CR England says you are an owner operator, you own your truck and you are your own boss.

Now, I understand that if CRE is helping you get a truck, you are obligated to work exclusively for them for the duration of the contract. But the control they have over their lease operators is unreal. I think the only reason that they "make you your own boss" is just that. You are at risk, not the company, if they decide to put you in a situation where you are over-loged, you are at risk. And I found out that this is the same way they hire their DM's. They are their own business to. I know every truck driver wants their own truck; every American wants to be their own boss.

What is in it for them when you lease? Well, every business I know in Utah has to match taxes paid by an employee, pay unemployment insurance, not to mention it's a loophole out of minimum wage. It also offers protection for the company when it comes to lawsuits. Needless to say there are a lot of benefits and loopholes when a company operates like this.

What's in it for the driver that leases the truck? The false belief that you own your truck. Sure they probably don't care about what you and that lot lizard are doing in the back of the truck, but either would the boss of a company driver. Hell, my old boss would probably want to join in. From what I understand you don't even get to choose you own loads, which makes it difficult to steer yourself home. They have all the costs lined out for you except for one, taxes. Maintenance, you pay for it, and CR England even gets a cut off of it. It's your truck, but you can't take it to your buddy Mikes' shop who would do a better job, and not overcharge you on parts and labor. The list goes on, many people don't think of tires, rims, lights, tire chains, fluids, filters, and just plain bad luck.

So by this understanding CR England has all the financial benefits, the lease operator takes all the risks, with no reward at the end. I don't doubt that there are successful lease operators, but successful just means that they got an average paycheck. If you are going to be locked into a contract for three years, you had better benefit in some way, and from what I see with this company, you don't.

The sad realization is that me, personally can no longer survive on un-employment. I have too many experiences and no way to get rid of them without serious consequences. I have two opportunities, one is I team drive for a low paying company if they even say they'll hire me. Or go through CR England. I know what youíre saying, why not just team drive for England? Because as a general rule I don't sleep while someone I don't trust is driving. You never know what type of person you are going to end up with, and if I am going to be away from my family for months at a time, I don't want to be in close quarters with someone I don't like. The other job I mentioned I would be teaming with someone I know, and would be home more often.

I would love to hear from anyone who has experience with this company to tell me if they agree with me. Even if you don't have experience with CRE I would like hear your opinion. I know that other companies offer lease purchase, are they the same way?

Thanks.
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Old 06-23-2009, 02:37 PM
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Why don't you check out companies operating in/near Pineland, Wy. Last I heard they're looking for drivers in that area.CRE is no place for an experienced driver. BOL
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Old 06-24-2009, 12:48 AM
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I would like to, but I am streched out as it is. I own a house in utah, and I have my camper in an RV park near fruita, co. I am originaly from Wyoming, but I would atleast like to sell my house before I go back there. I am waiting to hear if I got the job at the other place, hopefully yes. It is amazing to me that the more I read on CRE the more I can't belive that they have been in buisness as long as they have. THANKS!
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Old 06-24-2009, 05:19 PM
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CRE are liars, cheats and thieves.

Just driving for them, let alone leasing a truck from them, will be the beggining of the end. You bank account may be meager now but it will ceast to exist when you sign on the dotted line for CRE.

DON'T DO IT.
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Old 06-26-2009, 12:01 AM
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Well I figured as much, I have a job with another company. The only thing that it depends on is the person who I am team driving with. He's worried about passing a phisical with them, but I think he will do ok. The company gives every sunday off, saturdays if you get back soon enough. They also give you an optional week off after working 3. The person I am team driving with doesn't think this is enough time off, not to mention other things. I think its great for the type of work. The bad part is that I need him to do it because the company will not be able to hire me because I don't have enough OTR experience. The company that I have OTR experience with is no longer in buisness, and it can't be varified. I am just stuck hoping he sticks it out long enough so I can drive for the company if he decides to leave. I know what everybody is saying about CRE, but I have come to the point where I am in danger of loosing my home and my pickup. Just need a job like everyone else. I knew the lease was a bad idea, but why is team driving for them just as bad?
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Old 06-26-2009, 12:33 AM
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Why is team driving for CRE so bad?

Well...for starters they have no consideration for your home time, health or safety. You are a piece of machinery to them and they will push you to the limit and drop you like a used rubber when you can't go any further.

And the big bucks they promise you...they will find an excuse to screw you out of your money. The big payday never comes.
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Old 06-27-2009, 12:38 AM
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.....I had finally received a call from CR England saying that they had looked over my application and "I was a prime candidate for their program".......
I hate to tell you this but, ........ being considered a "prime candidate" by C.R. England is not a complement. Rather, it means they think it'll be easy for them to pull the wool over your eyes, --- also known as fleecing.

I realize that folks tend to log onto Big truck truckin' websites to complain about the company they drive for, but have y'all noticed that the comments about C.R.E. are disproportionately negative? Wouldn't y'all think there'd be more positive comments from successful C.R. E. drivers if they're all that good?

If you want to read more about C.R. England, try
www.thetruckersreport.com .
They have threads about good and bad truckin' companies and C.R. England leads the list for bad truckin' companies.
You'll probably read posts that you could have written, --- betwixt a rock and a hard place, --- in need of a paycheck, --- about to lose everything, --- and they fell for C.R.E. hook, line and sinker --- only to lose everything anyway. Lost their vehicle(s), their house, and find themselves even farther in debt than they were before.

Those who fell for the lease program have reported negitive paychecks as C.R.E. takes their cut first. There have even been instances where the lease driver has owed England besides having a negitive paycheck. But some folks still take the bait only to find out what C.R. England is all about --- the hard way.

Your well written post indicates you're an intelligent guy, and I think you've pretty much figured C.R.E. out, you just haven't convinced yourself that you're right, ....... yet.
I haven't driven for C.R.E., but I do personally know folks who have, and they wound up losing one way or the other, some losing their homes due to foreclosure. And speaking of losing, I recently read where C.R. England lost a court case filed by O.O.I.D.A. that dealt with illegal leasing practices.

It's your mind to make up, but I would highly recommend that you avoid C.R.E. no matter what. They aren't what they claim to be.
Whatever you decide I wish you the best of success.
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