Just how good is a trucking job?

[aftershock]

Originally Posted by juno_hoo

You are probably right. I'm sure that Toomega will post and reinforce your points when he sobers up.

Originally Posted by juno_hoo

Wow, Gao! You're a spambot but you're making more sense than Toomega. Artificial intelligence trumps lack of intelligence... Way to go.

Now that Toomega has chimed in with his response I'd like to see how a spambot with artificial intelligence responds to what you consider a "lack of intelligence".

I'm not real familiar with spambots or whether they're capable of accepting differing points of view, or not. Can they refrain from ridiculing those with whom they disagree? Are they able to comprehend that everyone is entitled to their own opinion(s), --- and accept that? Do they believe that free speech means to prevent the opposition from getting a word in edge-wise, or dismissing and/or ignoring whatever they have to say, --- even before they say it?, --- thereby depriving others of reading and forming their own conclusion(s).
Would a spambot shoot the messenger and ignore the message?

From what I've read, Toomega, (Bungafoo) could whup a spambot's buttox with half his brain tied behind his back, .... just to make it fair. And, ain't fair what it's all about?

Do me a favor?
Put a C-note bet on Toomega Bungafoo for me.

Either I'm more nutz than I originally figured, --- or the conversation betwixt Toomega Bungafoo and our new member, Raneysonline, is enlightening and an interesting read.

ThanX Raneysonline.
And welcome to Layover.
I hope to read more of you.
You too, Toomega.

I may not always agree with y'all,
But, dad-gummit, I'd fight 'till I'm pretty tired
for y'all's right to voice personal opinions, ---
in tune or out of tune with my own.

Wait a minute!
Hold on thar!
Horse wants to put a C-note on Toomega, too.
That ol' hoss is uncanny when it comes to pickin' winners.
Double my C-note bet.
I need the bucks.
Got a line on a luxury cruise ship that I can pick up for a
rock-bottom price. All I gotta do is pick 'er up on location.
I figure my CDL-A should clear me to drive a Big boat, as long
as I don't tow a trailer behind the fantail. Although, I reckon I'd need
a passenger endorsement before I can yell
ALL ABOARD!

Captain Shakey AfterShock.
At your service.
If I run into any problems, a call out to Big Joe for assistance should
help me keep the bovine excrement stored for ballast below decks dry.
I'll leave the light on in the Presidential Deluxe Suite just in case Big Joe is
up for a shake-down cruise.

'Till then, .......................... Remember to, ------------ always, ~~~~~

S hip
H igh
I n
T ransit

[bungafoo]

Originally Posted by raneysonline

I wish there was a sarcasm button on the internet. I laughed out loud.

You're a good sport.

I am glad I provided a chuckle for you.

You present your thoughts very well and I enjoy reading your posts.

[bungafoo]

I would much rather have a cyber pat on the back from aftershock and Horse than drink a beer in the Whitehouse with Obamafoo, anytime.

[juno_hoo]

Man, that is an interesting post Art and I almost missed it. As Ricky used to say to Lucy, "Wha hoppened???" The thread started out as a comment on lousy jobs, drifted into politics and ended with you taking offense to my snotty poke at Toomega. Your response was a snotty poke at me and my own snotty comments. Funny stuff and I guess I can live with it, but I think you missed a few points... F'rinstance -

Now that Toomega has chimed in with his response I'd like to see how a spambot with artificial intelligence responds to what you consider a "lack of intelligence".

That probably won't happen because the powers-that-be deleted Gao's nonsensical spam. You missed that, as well as Toomega's deleted snotty retort which was also deleted (by him?) within minutes or being posted...

I'm not real familiar with spambots or whether they're capable of accepting differing points of view, or not. Can they refrain from ridiculing those with whom they disagree? Are they able to comprehend that everyone is entitled to their own opinion(s), --- and accept that? Do they believe that free speech means to prevent the opposition from getting a word in edge-wise, or dismissing and/or ignoring whatever they have to say, --- even before they say it?, --- thereby depriving others of reading and forming their own conclusion(s).
Would a spambot shoot the messenger and ignore the message?

You are confusing "speech" with the written words on a trucking board, but you're taking offense at ridicule on a trucking board??? The gems that we post will be around until they are deleted but in no way, shape, or form does any comment prevent others from forming or expressing their opinion. That's the beauty of these boards, our words can't be drowned out, only ignored. But opinions come pre-installed in truckers and nothing we post on these boards will ever do much to change them, particularly when it comes to politics. BTW, what was the "message?"

From what I've read, Toomega, (Bungafoo) could whup a spambot's buttox with half his brain tied behind his back, .... just to make it fair. And, ain't fair what it's all about?

Do me a favor?
Put a C-note bet on Toomega Bungafoo for me.

What have you "read", Art? Could you elevate a few of Toomega's posts that really played an important part in the formation of your opinion? Glancing back over the years since Toomega's arrival here, it seems that the core of his "message" is an intense dislike for "libruls," gays, minorities and the hated Jooz. Every problem facing this nation could be traced back to those groups...

Toomega's post #13 above is an example of a threefer, a shot at the hated "Libruls", Jooz and minorities. If you had paid attention in the past, any disagreement with his point of view usually led to flame wars and I believe he was banned from this board (and this one?) for that reason. Nope, Toomega doesn't have the immunity idol and he sure as hell can't take shots at people for years and not get the same in return.

Either I'm more nutz than I originally figured, --- or the conversation betwixt Toomega Bungafoo and our new member, Raneysonline, is enlightening and an interesting read.

Fascinating. Could you explain how Toomega's comments enlightened you? Raney's comments were pretty accurate and well written but I'm guessing that he/she doesn't spend a lot of time listening to Faux news and whacko talk radio. What did you learn from Raney? Raney actually posted some points worth considering.

<SNIP quotes>

Your turn...

[ghostof99]

Originally Posted by juno_hoo

Your turn...

Bump.

[aftershock]

Originally Posted by juno_hoo

Man, that is an interesting post Art and I almost missed it.

An interesting post?
Really?
I doubt many would consider it to be interesting.
Come-on Ike, fess up.
You didn't almost miss it,
You almost ignored it.

As Ricky used to say to Lucy, "Wha hoppened???"

As former President Bill Clinton used to say, "That all depends on what the definition of "is" is". I don't believe you'll find any evidence that I know the answer to that question.

The thread started out as a comment on lousy jobs, drifted into politics and ended with you taking offense to my snotty poke at Toomega.

If you hadn't assumed that I took offense to your poke, would it have had any effect on your reply?

Your response was a snotty poke at me and my own snotty comments.

I'm not comfortable with the word "snotty" to describe my response. I'm thinkin' more like tongue-in-cheek reflections of impressions. At least that's how I wrote it.

Funny stuff and I guess I can live with it,

You think it's funny stuff?
Hmmmmmm

I reckon I can live with that.

but I think you missed a few points... F'rinstance -

If so, I think that makes two of us.

That probably won't happen because the powers-that-be deleted Gao's nonsensical spam. You missed that, as well as Toomega's deleted snotty retort which was also deleted (by him?) within minutes or being posted...

Are you sayin' that TooMega responded snottily to a bot post?
Didn't Roxie mention accidentally deleting a couple of posts? I wonder if it was those?
At any rate, I'm not sure if that would have made much, if any, difference.

You are confusing "speech" with the written words on a trucking board,

I can't hear you, but I read you loud and clear.
I consider the written form of communication to be an extension of speech wherever I read words.
Besides, when I read written words I hear a voice in my head as the written words are translated into a language I understand. That's why I could never figure out why they say read silently. Maybe it's just me. But silence is a sound I'm not familiar with.

but you're taking offense at ridicule on a trucking board???

Well, ....... you're assuming I'm offended, which I'm not.
But if I were, what difference would this bein' a truckin' board have to do with ridicule? Is it any different here?
Is ridicule acceptable here?

The gems that we post will be around until they are deleted but in no way, shape, or form does any comment prevent others from forming or expressing their opinion.

Are you absolutely certain about that?
It may not be likely or even probable, but I think it's possible that comments made could have an effect on the formation and/or expressing of opinions.

That's the beauty of these boards, our words can't be drowned out, only ignored.

Yeah, ..... even the words we may come to regret and would prefer to be ignored.

But opinions come pre-installed in truckers and nothing we post on these boards will ever do much to change them, particularly when it comes to politics.

Opinions that are pre-installed aren't chiseled in granite, ..... are they?
Well, ........ I 'spose it is for some folks, but that sure isn't confined to Big truck truck drivers.

I did notice a change in your wording though. As I recall, you used to say no matter what you said -- nothin' you say will ever change anyone's mind, -- or somethin' to that effect. Now I read, "will ever do much to change them".
I hope that's an indicator that you're startin' to realize that you do have some influence on others. More than you might imagine. I remember disagreein' with you 'bout that a couple of times because things that you have stated have, from time to time, caused me to re-examine my stance and there have been instances when I've found it necessary to re-adjust my stance based on information and/or explanation(s) gleaned from you. Even if I decide not to change my opinion(s), you've caused me to think. If nothin' else, understanding the thought process of someone I don't agree with is enlightening and even educational. I appreciate that.

BTW, what was the "message?"

Read it for yourself. It's around here somewhere.

What have you "read", Art? Could you elevate a few of Toomega's posts that really played an important part in the formation of your opinion?

Yeah, ...... I probably could, --- but I'm not gonna.
Again, it seems, you assume, --- if you consider it was only TooMega's posts that went into the formation of my present impressions.

Glancing back over the years since Toomega's arrival here, it seems that the core of his "message" is an intense dislike for "libruls," gays, minorities and the hated Jooz. Every problem facing this nation could be traced back to those groups...

If so, ..... so what?
He has a right to have that opinion, be it accurate or not ...... at least till we lose that right in the interest of securing the homeland. I think we still retain the right to express disagreement, and I think it's the thought, idea, opinion, that should be addressed/attacked, not the individual.
And as I recall, you mentioned the same thing and encouraged others to abide by those guidelines in one of your excellent posts.
"Wha hoppened"?

Toomega's post #13 above is an example of a threefer, a shot at the hated "Libruls", Jooz and minorities.

Ike,
Ike,
Ike,............. can we talk?
I doubt anyone is gonna read this far into a borin' post, --- so this is just twixt you-N-me, ..... ok?
With all the insults, insinuations, insolence, snottiness and snide innuendos directed toward TooMega, what has been accomplished? Anything change?

If you had paid attention in the past,

Yeah, ...... that must be my problem, .... huh?
Probably just my imagination. Or flash-backs from my wilder years. Possibly an attention disorder.
Ya reckon.
I'll be extra sure to pay attention in the future.

any disagreement with his point of view usually led to flame wars and I believe he was banned from this board (and this one?) for that reason.

Ahhhhhhh, flame wars.
They sure generate a lotta attention from readers, .... don't they?
Ya know, ....... just twixt you-N-me, I kinda enjoy a good food fight every now and then. And what better place than a lightly moderated board to facilitate the event?

By the way, Ike, ........ have you ever been banned from any board(s)?
It's been 'bout twelve years now that I've been haunting various websites and I've never been banned, ...... yet. I came close once on another board. But it was discovered that I was set up by Joe Hill, (Momma's Boy, -- Kenny) who lied to prove a point that he couldn't prove in truth. That sorta backfired.

I remember ol' Joe Hill. Quite a hot head he was. Totally intolerant toward anyone with a differing opinion, especially conservative "swine". Hate for fellow Americans he disagreed with spewed from his keyboard. Name calling and insults a-plenty.
Who called him on that inappropriate behavior?
Who didn't?
Why not?

Nope, Toomega doesn't have the immunity idol and he sure as hell can't take shots at people for years and not get the same in return.

Obviously those shots bother you.
But that's only because you allow 'em to.
If it's wrong for him to take shots at people, would it not be, at least, equally wrong to return shots?
You're not lettin' stuff written in a Big truck related board get to you, .... are you?

Fascinating. Could you explain how Toomega's comments enlightened you?

Probably not to your satisfaction.
Besides, TooMega isn't the only commenter who, at times, enlightens me. And sometimes it's the responses his comments generate that I find enlightening. The ability to discern really comes in handy.

Raney's comments were pretty accurate and well written but I'm guessing that he/she doesn't spend a lot of time listening to Faux news and whacko talk radio.

Sounds a lot like you, Ike.
What's not to like?
Unless, ..........
you crave stimulating conversations.
How stimulating is a conversation where everyone shares the same opinions?

How can one know what's bein' said on Faux news and whacko talk radio
if one doesn't listen to either of them?

What did you learn from Raney? Raney actually posted some points worth considering.

Uh-Oh!
A surprise PoP QuiZ?
Can I use my Cliff Notes?
Let's see, ------

Raney opined that we lack the means of distribution *and* people are greedy as hail.
That it is possible to have a pleasant written conversation with TooMega.
And
Newt Gingrich is a "scum-bag".

How 'bout you Ike?
What did you learn from Raney?

<SNIP quotes>

No!
Not SNIP quotes.
Cliff Notes.

Your turn...

Ok, .......... you turn left and I'll turn right, --- and we'll see
where that route takes us.
Keepin' in mind that three lefts equal one right.

As always, it's been a pleasure conversin' with you Ike.
You're an asset to this board, --- unique, original, and irreplaceable.
ThanX man, .......
I appreciate that.
However, I must admit, I'm kinda burned out on the self-admitted snotty replies you direct toward TooMega. I've read what I'd consider to be mean-spirited personal insults, and, in my opinion, unnecessary and uncalled for.
Any chance a truce can be agreed to?

[jrhardin81]

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[Irishwin]

Originally Posted by juno_hoo

As Ricky used to say to Lucy, "Wha hoppened???" The thread started out as a comment on lousy jobs, drifted into politics and ended with you taking offense to my snotty poke at Toomega. Your response was a snotty poke at me and my own snotty comments.

You think you guys have the market cornered on a post starting out on one subject and ending up totally on another?? Well, you oughtta see one of my horse boards of which I'm a member. There was one post that started out asking for recommendations for a horse trainer...that wound around to drag queens cross-dressing and ended up as a recipe swap.

Top that one if you can....

[juno_hoo]

Originally Posted by aftershock

An interesting post?

<snip>

Any chance a truce can be agreed to?

Art, the point-by-point, cut/paste thing won't work as a rebuttal for me since my quoted snotty remarks get lost in the process. But no truce is necessary since I don't think either of us took much offense.

I'll stand by my earlier remarks until someone posts Toomega's accurate comments from this thread. I've looked again and can't find them.

As for Raney and what I've learned from him/her... I think:

- Raney pays attention, understands politics and what it's about ($$). I'm guessing Raney is immune to talk radio and Faux BS.

- Raney makes sense and didn't post a bunch of cryptic BS. I'm guessing that Raney also knew that no one would read the words and ractually start thinking about his point of view.

- Raney reads and comprehends what happens when corporations run the country. "Steinbeck" was my clue and one of my favorite authors if we want to learn what GOP style "free market capitalism" and "smaller less-intrusive government" offers us. Great reading for the folks who are too young to have listened to (or ignored/forgot) family that actually survived the depression.

- Raney owns, or works at, a seemingly successful business and realizes that the masses deserve a few crumbs or the business will cease to exist.

- Raney is long gone from this board.

Later.

[aftershock]

Originally Posted by juno_hoo

Art, the point-by-point, cut/paste thing won't work as a rebuttal for me since my quoted snotty remarks get lost in the process.

Point by point is the best way I know of to be sure I've addressed all the points presented. It can be aggravating when a pivotal question goes unanswered and not knowing if the question(s) were purposely overlooked, ignored, or missed entirely. In face to face conversations we don't generally say everything we have to say all at once without a pause for comments and/or questions on the subject while it's still fresh and could have an effect on the course of the conversation.
Timing is important. When a conversation is run-on, uninterrupted, questions can be forgotten, or the impact of a question asked when the conversation has moved on to another subject is lessened.

But no truce is necessary since I don't think either of us took much offense.

You're not offended and I'm not offended so no truce betwixt us is necessary, --- I agree. The truce I mentioned was meant to be betwixt you and TooMega.

I'll stand by my earlier remarks until someone posts Toomega's accurate comments from this thread. I've looked again and can't find them.

The comments I've read that, combined, have been the formation of my impressions are contained within posts appearing in several other threads. For me, personally, rememberin' each and every detail associated with events that I've observed here, along with the exact location of the written records isn't necessary, generally speakin'. However there are exceptions.

I trust my impressions, instincts, gut feelin' , whatever, based on my past experiences and how often my impressions/instincts were correct, --- at the time and ultimately well into the what was then my future, --- now present.
Age takes it's tolls, but replaces what's taken with experience and the knowledge gained from it. As I revisit my memorized past I'm quickly reminded that my instincts were more accurate than a lot of my decisions that I put into action.

When something irks me, it makes an impression that I remember.
When I find myself irked more than usual, I'm annoyed, --- and wonder why.
When I discover what annoys me I determine the level of my annoyance and question the importance, consider the rights of others, then decide on an appropriate reaction, if any action at all ..... all things considered.
Sometimes I'm in a mood where a reaction creates an emotion that becomes the inspiration to pen a post.
Such is the case for my original post that begat this discussion.

As for Raney and what I've learned from him/her... I think:

- Raney pays attention, understands politics and what it's about ($$). I'm guessing Raney is immune to talk radio and Faux BS.

Payin' attention is very important.
No argument there.
Understanding politics and what it's all about rates high on the importance list too. So much so that a separate section was created and dedicated to the discussion of political topics.

- Raney makes sense and didn't post a bunch of cryptic BS.

I assume cryptic BS irritates you?
If so, I understand.
If so, I apologize, and, for what it's worth, I have enclosed the translation herein.

I'm guessing that Raney also knew that no one would read the words and ractually start thinking about his point of view.

Really?
I disagree.
I give Raney waayyy more credit than that.

- Raney reads and comprehends what happens when corporations run the country.

Sixteen tons and whadaya get?
Another day older and deeper in debt.
In spite of all the changes made,
some things remain the same.

"Steinbeck" was my clue and one of my favorite authors if we want to learn what GOP style "free market capitalism" and "smaller less-intrusive government" offers us. Great reading for the folks who are too young to have listened to (or ignored/forgot) family that actually survived the depression.

Both of my parents survived the depression.
My father dropped out of school in the third grade to help support his family by workin' odd jobs and sellin' newspapers on street corners in Albany, New York, --- snow or shine. He learned the value of a dollar early in life and lived accordingly. I remember folks laughin' at him when he told them, "some day, gasoline will cost a dollar a gallon", --- back when a buck bought five gallons, --- and made plans accordingly, in spite of the laughter.

When WWII broke out, he enlisted in the Navy where he remained for the next seventeen years. He learned a trade during that time.

My mother grew up in a rural area in New York, on a farm actually. Quite a contrast from my father's big city life.
My mother's mother was a strict school teacher. My mother attended public school during the day and was home schooled by her mother in the evenings and weekends. As a result, my mother graduated college with a teaching degree at age seventeen. She started out teaching in a one room school house in up-state New York, --- grades first through sixth all in the same room.

Two years prior to my mother's planned retirement she was informed that the school district expected her to learn Spanish ASAP, --- to accommodate the large number of non-English speakers enrolling in elementary school. That mandate combined with the recently formed teacher's union influence caused her to decide to retire earlier than originally planned.

Both parents considered themselves to be conservative.
Both were registered Republicans.
Neither used a credit card.
Except for their first purchased house, they paid cash.
Second and third houses were paid for in cash.

The stories of their depression days and the resulting impact on their mind-set are memories I'll have forever. My biggest regret is that I didn't know then what I know now. To many who knew my father, he was considered somewhat of a flake when it came to politics and his predictions of the future, which now that the future has arrived were amazingly correct. More correct, I imagine, then even he imagined.
I know he was disappointed with the way this country was headin' in his later years, disillusioned by the Republican party which, in his opinion, was straying from their original principles.

But, ..................... I digress, ------------------

- Raney owns, or works at, a seemingly successful business and realizes that the masses deserve a few crumbs or the business will cease to exist.

That's a believable assumption.

- Raney is long gone from this board.

Later.

Is that a fact or an assumption?
If Raney is "long gone from this board", why do you 'spose that is?
(The last question is one of those pivotal questions I mentioned earlier.)

Here's where I'm comin' from Ike, -------
I'd like to see this site grow, become more active with new members who don't just hit-n-run, but actually remain and contribute. What and how to do that remains unknown. So, I ask myself what causes me to not want to stay around certain website forums?

I find forums that have a few key members who, whether they know it or admit it, or not, set the tone and tempo, and the orchestra follows. When potential new members log in and read posts airing dirty laundry, criticizing other member(s), they don't know how or what started it, --- they don't care. They didn't come here to read stuff like that, and are probably concerned that they might become a target, especially if they disagree or have differing views.

Here lately, the differing views seem to revolve around political issues, and not Big truck truckin' issues, --- which is fine when confined to the political forum which, if I'm not mistaken, was created to avoid what happens when politics are mixed in with questions in general.
I've noticed hints of politics pop up in this forum lately.
And wonder if there's a possibility that they're connected in some way.
Then again, it could be that I'm not payin' attention, --- or maybe it's my memory.
If I'm outta line, ........ pardon me.